Election Day is in
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mtlatc |
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FWIW...I'll get up in a few hours...put on my uniform....and go and protect US! Not the U.S. but US.....Presidents come and they go, but WE are still
here. NO POLITICAL ENDORSEMENTS here....but just for fun...NO Disrespect : #1 Failed at our (the USN specifically, the US Military...Generally) job...#2
junior senator from NY, #3 junior senator from IL...May GOD have mercy on our souls.
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Quote: Democratically elected government by the people choose the things they choose. And that's the way it should be. But what kind of information are
people getting to make those decisions? The simple fact these distinctions, just an example, get left out of reports, I'd say purposely to fit an agenda,
tells me that people are being misled, if not flat out lied to.
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The hell you say. You mean there are WMDs in Iraq? You mean Saddam (a Sunni) was in bed with Al Queda (Shiites)? You mean the Swift Boat captains from the last
election? Misinformation is a hallmark of politics. I'd agree with you that Hillary's plan is too extreme and one of many reasons I don't support
her. However, I think you are mischaracterizing Obama's plan. The problem is that we pay for other people's care one way or the other. When the poor
and the uninsured go to the emergency room who pays for that? So, we pay one way or the other. We have to hope that when more people become insured then more
people will seek preventative care which will hopefully keep catastrophic care costs down. It's a complicated issue I admit. It's too complicated to
label anyone's plan as anything.
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I do understand what you are saying. I need to re-read some posts, and reply.
I kind of got caught up in the moment. You made some very good points. |
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jb2k1 |
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Before things get too serious around here, ...
Jimbob
Remembering '05 & wanting to go there again! ...and beyond! |
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jb2k1 |
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double post -- please excuse
Jimbob
Remembering '05 & wanting to go there again! ...and beyond! |
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FatOldGuy |
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I've decided to make my decision on which party to vote for as far as the president goes based on which party bugs me the least with recorded phone
messages. In the past few weeks, I've hung up on Senator John Cornyn and former Senator Phil Gramm. Though they were recordings, it still felt good to
slam the receiver down on the two.
By the way, anyone here know what Cornyn's nickname was around his frat house at Trinity University? Give yourself a cold and crispy beer if you answered, "Bimbo." |
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I had lots of friends that opted "home schooling." Mostly so that they did not have to immunize their kids. They did not have any special skills
to educate their children. But, by God, my kids will NOT get any shots.
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Chris Rosenberger |
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Astrogirl,
Psalms 144:1
Blessed be the LORD, my rock, Who trains my hands for war, And my fingers for battle. |
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Chris Rosenberger |
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barzilla wrote:
Psalms 144:1
Blessed be the LORD, my rock, Who trains my hands for war, And my fingers for battle.
Last Edited By: Chris Rosenberger
04/17/2008 9:59 AM.
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Chris Rosenberger |
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RyanED wrote: Um ... really? People are fat for a myriad of reasons, but I can tell you the biggest reasons: portion control and food quality. If people stopped eating a McDonalds and Burger King (except for occasionally) and all those other fast food places and instead at something that provided nutrients instead fat and fat calories they would not get into that kind of condition. And once in that condition, (being "fat") they can solve it the same way : eat good quality foods and not too much of them. I don't mean to sound patronizing, but I've been trained by the army to help with what we call "fat boy programs" and those two things are the two areas that make the most difference. Excersice helps (a whole lot) but you'll never spend enough time in the gym to work off a Big Mac with all the fix'uns - at least not with one session at the gym.
Psalms 144:1
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barzilla |
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Chris, Remember what I said, "Democratically elected government". That is a far cry from a democracy.
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barzilla wrote:
Psalms 144:1
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barzilla |
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I know you did, but I didn't want to get wrapped up in an historical discussion. Ultimately, the U.S. got out of the depression the same way most of
western Europe did: war mobilization. Countries like Italy, German, and Spain did that a lot sooner. Of course, France and England had to respond in kind
sooner than we did. Yet, our response to the great depression was a lot tamer than most of the industrialized world. That is what a lot of people mistake about
FDR and his policies. LBJ's Great Society expanded social security and welfare beyond Roosevelt's wildest dreams. However, it is somewhere between
mildly ironic and absolutely hilarious to hear anyone claim our governmental intervention was a bad thing and then use the rest of the world as proof. The rest
of the world has more control over their economies than we do. We are the most capitalistic nation in the world by leaps and bounds. You cannot then turn
around and use socialistic western Europe's relative success following the depression as an example as to why maintaining the free market is best.
Furthermore, I would challenge the notion that the U.S. lagged behind the rest of the world based on the simple fact that the depression hit us last. Germany was in the throws of the great depression by the early 1920s and so was most of western Europe. Our markets usually lag behind the world markets. So, it's a bit disengenious to laugh at FDR for recovering later when those other countries had a seven or eight year head start. Hell, he didn't get into office until 1933, so that is closer to a full decade. Of course, if you want to debate LBJ's Great Society and the wisdom of maintaining a welfare state I am here and willing to listen. I just wanted to clear up what I thought were a couple of historical inaccuracies (or exaggerations). Check out my new blog at http://commons.chron.com/barzilla |
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Chris Rosenberger |
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I'll never be able to voice my opinions as succinctly as the economist Dr. Skousen, so I'll reference you to a piece of his work:
http://www.fee.org/publications/the-freeman/article.asp?aid=4975
Dr. Skousen is an economist at Rollins College, Department of Economics, Winter Park, Florida 32789, and editor of Forecasts & Strategies, one of the largest investment newsletters in the country. The depression . . . was endemic to the system: the economy was not self-regulating and needed to be controlled. -David Colander and Harry Landreth[1] The Great Depression of the 1930s may be a dim memory now, but its impact is still being felt in policy and theory. The prolonged depression created an environment critical of laissez-faire policies and favorable toward ubiquitous state interventionism throughout the Western world. The depression led to the Welfare State and boundless faith in Big Government. It caused most of the Anglo-American economics profession to question classical free-market economics and to search for radical anti-capitalist alternatives, eventually converting to the new economics of Keynesianism and demand-side economics. Prior to the Great Depression, most Western economists accepted the classical virtues of thrift, limited government, balanced budgets, the gold standard, and Say's Law. While most economists continued to defend free enterprise and free trade on a microeconomic scale, they rejected traditional views on a macroeconomic level in the postwar period, advocating consumption over saving, fiat money over the gold standard, deficit spending over a balanced budget, and active state interventionism over limited government. They bought the Keynesian argument that a free market was inherently unstable and could result in high levels of unemployed labor and resources for indefinite periods. They blamed the Great Depression on laissez-faire capitalism and contended that only massive government spending during World War II saved the capitalist system from defeat. In short, the depression opened the door to widespread collectivism in the United States and around the world. Fortunately, free-market economists have gradually punctured holes in these arguments and the pendulum has slowly shifted toward a re-establishment of classical free-market economics. Three questions needed to be addressed: What caused the Great Depression? Why did it last so long? Did World War II restore prosperity? Economic historian Robert Higgs had dubbed these three arenas of debate the Great Contraction, the Great Duration, and the Great Escape. The Cause of the Great Contraction Many free-market economists had attempted to answer the first question, including Benjamin M. Anderson and Murray N. Rothbard,[2] but none had the impact equal to Milton Friedman's empirical studies on money in the early 1960s. His was the first effective effort to destroy the argument that the Great Depression was the handiwork of an inherently unstable capitalistic system. Friedman (and his co-author, Anna J. Schwartz) demonstrated forcefully that it was not free enterprise, but rather government-specifically the Federal Reserve System-that caused the Great Depression. In a single sentence underlined by all who read it, Friedman and Schwartz indicted the Fed: From the cyclical peak in August 1929 to a cyclical trough in March 1933, the stock of money fell by over a third.[3] (This statement was all the more shocking because until Friedman's work, the Fed didn't publish money supply figures, such as M1 and M2!) Friedman and Schwartz also proved that the gold standard did not cause the depression, as some Keynesian economists have alleged. During the early 1930s, the U.S. gold stock rose even as the Fed perversely raised the discount rate and allowed the money supply to shrink and banks to collapse.[4] The Prolonged Slump Economic activity and employment stagnated throughout the 1930s, causing a paradigm shift from classical economics to Keynesianism. Friedrich Hayek, the Austrian economist who challenged Keynes in the thirties, was so disheartened about the state of the free-world economy that he abandoned the study of economics in favor of political philosophy. Why did the depression last so long? Many free-market economists have picked up where Murray Rothbard's America's Great Depression left off, at the time Franklin Delano Roosevelt took office in 1933. Gene Smiley (Marquette University) attempted an Austrian perspective on the perverse role of fiscal policy in the 1930s. I summarized the causes of stagnation and persistent unemployment, such as the Smoot-Hawley Tariff, tax increases, government regulation and controls, and pro-labor legislation.[5] More recently, Robert Higgs of the Independent Institute has made an in-depth study of the 1930s' malaise and focused on the lack of private investment during this period. According to Higgs, private investment was greatly hampered by New Deal initiatives that destroyed investor and business confidence, the key to recovery.[6] In short, the New Deal prolonged the depression. What Got Us Out? In another brilliant study, Higgs attacked the commonly held view that World War II saved us from the depression and restored the economy to full employment. The war gave only the appearance of recovery, when in reality private consumption and investment declined while Americans fought and died for their country. A return to genuine prosperity-the true Great Escape-did not occur until after the war ended, when most of the wartime controls were abolished and most of the resources used in the military were returned to civilian production.[7] Only after the war did private investment, business confidence, and consumer spending return to form.
Psalms 144:1
Blessed be the LORD, my rock, Who trains my hands for war, And my fingers for battle. |
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barzilla |
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Chris, That is a good article. While I would agree with his findings in general and with his conclusion, I would say that the depression officially ended with
World War II simply because people were employed either in the armed services or producing for the armed forces. Yet, I would agree that a free society cannot
sustain itself on militarism. However, I would also point out that a look at post-war America is incomplete with the Democratically inspired GI Bill.
Personally, I don't think any economic system can work in a pure basis. Capitalism hasn't either. Of course, HOW MUCH governmental intervention is a
productive debate. I take heart in the fact that when you look back at the economy since the Depression you count six Democratic presidents and six Republican
presidents. The six Democratic administrations all saw greater percentage growth in the economy than even the best of the Republican administrations. I
actually respect pure capitalistic theory. It makes a great deal of sense I must admit. The problem is that history just doesn't support it.
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Astrogirl |
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Astrogirl,Well, first off, let me say my kids have not received any new fangled herpies shot, or the cervival cancer one, or the chicken pox one. Too new. Thought hard about the cervical cancer one that is shoved down our throats in commercials. But, decided, no. My kids are 21 (so really, she can make her own choice, I just advise her), 18 (a guy), and 15 (a girl, and no to the new vaccines.) I didn't even trust the chicken pox one, and let my kids all get chicken pox naturally from other kids with chicken pox. The problem is, if you vaccinate, and they become adults and do not get another round (or rounds) they will can get these diseases as adults. When they can be much more dangerous. But, I was not willing to play around with Polio, or Whooping Cough, or Tetanus. These are killers that will surely come around again if everyone decides to stop vaccinating. I understand the concern with Pertussis and possible autistic problems. I think it's a very valid concern. I would support that particular vaccination not being mandatory to enter the school system anymore. And let me say, as a parent of three - I am in the Cy-Fair School District, and not one of my kids was ever exposed to any sex education in Elementary School. At all. It was introduced in Junior High, and parents had to sign permission slips. And parents were welcome to attend a meeting at the school to preview what their child would see in the education. It was not pornography in any way. I really get upset when parents rant over something they have never even seen happen. And, finally, you have to admit, some parents home school out of laziness. I know a couple of people who just got tired of making their kid go to school, because if they miss a certain number of days, you get to go to court. So, they withdraw their teen-ager, saying they are home schooling, and in fact, never do it. I think someone should be watching that. The kids suffer for this. I don't care what The Constitution says. Kids are suffering for their parents lack of parenting. Now, are the public schools great? Not by any stretch of the imagination. But, they are still a better alternative to teaching my kids geometry, than me as their guide. I suck at geometry. Actually, 90% of my kids teachers have been awesome over all these years. My youngest has been in all K classes since 1st grade and has made all A's, so far (9th grade now.) She's a couple of years ahead of her peers, and planning to be a doctor. Could I have taught her all this? Um, no. English, yeah. Math, no. Science, no. History, yeah. |
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Chris Rosenberger |
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Astrogirl,
I only make the point about sex education because I watched what was virtually pornography in 5th grade that was "sex education" and I'm sure my dad just assumed that we were getting a mainly harmless class when he signed the permission slip, but I've practically been scarred by that incident. That was in Pearland ISD for anyone wanted the school reference. And the point about admitting parents withdraw their kids from high school to keep them from having to go to court over tardies ... well that's crap! That is almost the most low-down, disturbing thing a parent can do to their kid! My main point for homeschooling is for the younger grades (not so much junior high school and high school level - at least, not until we see how elementary works out). As of now, our son Gabriel can count to 20 in three languages, add small numbers, knows the whole alphabet and can recognize many monosyllabic words and he's about 3 and a half years old. (Though I will admit that I'm not sure if recognizing the words without knowing very much pronunciation syntax will stunt his pace at learning to read in the future). Oh and by the way about not caring about what the constitution says : its a very slippery slope when dealing with that situation. If we empower the government to force our kids into public schools (like what is practically going down in California right now) and that public curriculum has been deemed appropriate and is mandatory for those children to be educated ... we could be having our very own nazi party spring up. (yes I realize that is a rash statement, and quite a leap would have to be made to get to that point but ... it only took one generation in Germany to indoctrinate the whole of the nation about the supremacy of the Arians and the need to cleanse the Earth of the lesser humans so they would stop polluting our gene pool.) Oh yeah, and the movie "Expelled: no Intelligence allowed" was a great movie, I would highly recommend it.
Psalms 144:1
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Barzilla.
You missed an important aspect of Dr. Skoucen's final point, "A return to genuine prosperity-the true Great Escape-did not occur until after the war ended, when most of the wartime controls were abolished and most of the resources used in the military were returned to civilian production.[7] Only after the war did private investment, business confidence, and consumer spending return to form." I'll mention it again, just to try to add appropriate emphasis, " most of the resources used in the military were returned to civilian production." Once the government took their hands off the economy did money enter into the free market to be circulated by private individuals and business. That's where the health of the free market is. The power of the individuals in the market, not how the government can increase or devalue the dollar (the fed's interest rate hikes), nor in the federal government regulating all the unnecessary stipulations that they tend towards. The government's fiscal health and the free market can be in complete contrast to each other and that's just fine. Let people and businesses fail when they make horrible blunders (Bear Sterns, I'm looking at you). Keep your stink'n hands out of my pocketbook (yeah that's you I've got my eye on congress!). Before I get off for the night, I would like to propose the idea of the fair tax federally and see what you guys think about it. If you need details, I can provide them, but it would essentially be like what Texas has now: no income tax, but a sales tax - on everything. You get taxed only on what you buy, and not how hard you work. I mean, how backwards is that? I work hard and turn a nice profit, benefit the economic climate of the country and what does the government say but, "bad boy, you make too much money, we're taking that". Anyway, good night and ... geez someone kickstart those Astros! At least Pence was productive at the plate today, perhaps he's coming out of his funk.
Psalms 144:1
Blessed be the LORD, my rock, Who trains my hands for war, And my fingers for battle. |
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I've practically been scarred by that incident. That was in Pearland ISD for anyone wanted the school reference. I am truly wondering what in particular scarred you? A condom on a banana? The female reproductive system? What "scarred" you? Was it really that traumatic? I hate to think something really scarred you. Sucks for your wife. That it was that much of a trauma. And, you know, your dad did not bother to show up for the preview. Come on, what in the world was so scarring that you carry it around?! I did the same as your wife is doing when the kids are little. They are so teachable. You can teach them anything. I taught my babies to read so young. It does not mean you are the best parent in the world. It does not mean anything, really. It does not make you better than other parents. We all just want our kids to be happy. |
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The best advice I can give is....you love your kids no matter what they do. Total unconditional love. At it's best. No matter what crazy thing they do,
love them.
Even when they go against your thoughts of how it should be. You just love them, anyway. Who the heck cares about what they, "should do". Just love them. |
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Chris Rosenberger |
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Specifically, the scarring thing was much too graphic pictures of STD's on the vagina. And I said it almost scarred me. I mean ... come on, I'm a guy,
we shrug off most things pretty well. It just took several, several years.
I'm not saying that Ryannon and I are the world's greatest and smartest parents because we've taught our children at home and they are acting like sponges and absorbing the things presented. Really, is that what you think that I'm doing? Propping us up to try to demonstrate a divide between us and the other parents?
Psalms 144:1
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barzilla |
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Is that the Ben Stein movie? I'm always interested in seeing outsider's view of education. I'm hoping a publisher will take on my book soon. I
think both of you would enjoy it.
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Chris Rosenberger |
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Yeah, it's the Ben Stein movie. It's not a take on education, but the "science establishment" (aka darwinism) and their downright trouncing
of any debate over intelligent design - or anything that sounds kind of like it. It was a great movie.
Psalms 144:1
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barzilla |
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I'm not sure that the characterization of the scientific community is fair. Scientists come in all shapes and sizes. My wife is a scientist and will be
getting her PhD this next December from Rice. Some scientists are Christians and still believe in evolution. The problem comes in assuming the two (creationism
and evolution) are mutually exclusive. The problem with Intelligent design by itself is that it has little or no scientific evidence to support it. That being
said, the Catholic Church has now sanctioned evolution. Personally, I'm no scientist, but I think religion gets itself in trouble when it rejects
overwhelming evidence. I think the Catholic Church is finally wise in this regard. If God created us in his image then he created us with an inquisitive mind.
So, when we discover natural laws we discover more about his creation. Certainly, most scientist would agree with the notion of the clockmaker God or
"Newton's God". Therefore, evolution and creation can (and I believe) coexist. The six day creation story in Genesis even follows the order of
evolution if you release the notion of a hard and fast 24 hour day.
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