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Scott Hockenberry	Matsui - Worth the Cash?	Lead	[-]
Astros Fan Posts: 2822 (06/22/2008 8:30 AM) Astros Fan Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Tags : None Well? Is Kash Matsui worth the contract? (Result) Nope, the Astros screwed themselves again Yes, he is great Slightly overpaid Ed Wade sucks
ZephyrinZion		#1	[-]
Astros Fan Posts: 311 (06/22/2008 8:42 AM) Astros Fan Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Better than Biggio was the last couple of years. What was the pay comparison? My only problem with position players is Bourn batting leadoff.
Clack		#2	[-]
Astros Fan Posts: 14555 (06/22/2008 9:18 AM) Astros Fan Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I answered "slightly overpaid," but the poll choices really don't reflect my concern. I think he is doing a good job for what he is paid this year. The Astros are lucky they didn't sign Luis Castillo, who apparently is in severe decline with the Mets (who beat out the Astros in the bidding for him). However, Matsui is surely overpaid, when the length of his contract is taken into account. At his age, with a 3 year contract, the odds are good that he will be a part time utility player at some point during the contract.
Flastrohs		#3	[-]
Astros Fan Posts: 18903 (06/22/2008 9:59 AM) Astros Fan Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Matsui lifetime OBP of .326 isn't very good for a 2 place hitter. Couple that with Bourn at .306 OBP(career, even lower in 2008...289) and that hurts. I voted "slightly overpaid."
lll		#4	[-]
Astros Fan Posts: 1196 (06/22/2008 10:21 AM) Astros Fan Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I'm gonna go with "slightly overpaid" too . Hes not setting the world on fire, but hes not crappy either . Hes pretty much just an average player . His defense has been OK, but I really expected more from him at the plate . R.I.P. - Dimebag Darrell 1966 - 2004
Bob Hulsey		#5	[-]
Astros Fan Posts: 4027 (06/22/2008 10:35 AM) Astros Fan Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I went with "slightly overpaid". He's actually been disappointing in the field although his range is obviously better than Biggio's. Offensively, we knew he wasn't going to be as good as his Colorado numbers but he's been better than the guy the Mets dumped which was what we'd been warned he would be. Given that we were in the battle with the Cubs to sign him, I think we came out better. What would we have if we didn't sign him? "We don't do anything easy. We're the Astros." - Craig Biggio
Flastrohs		#6	[-]
Astros Fan Posts: 18904 (06/22/2008 10:55 AM) Astros Fan Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Bob Hulsey wrote: I went with "slightly overpaid". He's actually been disappointing in the field although his range is obviously better than Biggio's. Offensively, we knew he wasn't going to be as good as his Colorado numbers but he's been better than the guy the Mets dumped which was what we'd been warned he would be. Given that we were in the battle with the Cubs to sign him, I think we came out better. What would we have if we didn't sign him? Loretta at 2b.
lll		#7	[-]
Astros Fan Posts: 1197 (06/22/2008 2:47 PM) Astros Fan Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Flastrohs wrote: Loretta at 2b. Thats scary .......... ............. R.I.P. - Dimebag Darrell 1966 - 2004
Flastrohs		#8	[-]
Astros Fan Posts: 18945 (06/22/2008 3:00 PM) Astros Fan Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	lll wrote: Flastrohs wrote: Loretta at 2b. Thats scary .......... ............. Now it's a fact...Matsui pulled a hammy today.
Bob Hulsey		#9	[-]
Astros Fan Posts: 4034 (06/22/2008 4:22 PM) Astros Fan Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Flastrohs wrote: lll wrote: Flastrohs wrote: Loretta at 2b. Thats scary .......... ............. Now it's a fact...Matsui pulled a hammy today. At least Matsui didn't tear a... "We don't do anything easy. We're the Astros." - Craig Biggio
baqqs		#10	[-]
Astros Fan Posts: 823 (06/22/2008 4:43 PM) Astros Fan Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	It's too early to tell. But, let's look at the alternatives: Burke .168/.283/.198 (3/0 SB) Iguchi .259/.324/.343 (8/1 SB) Castillo .266/.365/.344 (12/2 SB) Matsui .266/.332/.333 (15/3 SB) I think the telling factor in the end will be the health issues. I like what he brings to the team. LAnce and Kaz are just about the ONLY players on our team that have quality AB's just about every time and I still believe his defense is an asset despite the early mis-cues.
Clack		#11	[-]
Astros Fan Posts: 14567 (06/22/2008 5:54 PM) Astros Fan Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	baqqs wrote: It's too early to tell. But, let's look at the alternatives: Burke .168/.283/.198 (3/0 SB) Iguchi .259/.324/.343 (8/1 SB) Castillo .266/.365/.344 (12/2 SB) Matsui .266/.332/.333 (15/3 SB) I think the telling factor in the end will be the health issues. I like what he brings to the team. LAnce and Kaz are just about the ONLY players on our team that have quality AB's just about every time and I still believe his defense is an asset despite the early mis-cues. I have seen a lot of complaining about Castillo from Mets' fans. They say that he is declining rapidly this year, and this his defense has taken a nose dive. I agree with you that Matsui's defense will be OK when we look back at the end of the year. He has gone through a flurry of errors early on, which make his defensive stats bad right now. Hopefully, that streak is an aberration. Watching him, it is obvious that he has great range and can make acrobatic plays. Many of the errors occurred because of that ability...i.e., trying to make the "impossible" play and throwing the ball away.
lll		#12	[-]
Astros Fan Posts: 1198 (06/22/2008 6:17 PM) Astros Fan Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Flastrohs wrote: lll wrote: Flastrohs wrote: Loretta at 2b. Thats scary .......... ............. Now it's a fact...Matsui pulled a hammy today. DAMN ! R.I.P. - Dimebag Darrell 1966 - 2004
RyanED		#13	[-]
Astros Fan Posts: 31839 (06/23/2008 12:15 AM) Golden Boy Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I voted for slightly overpaid. He's not worth his salary ( who is these days? ), but clearly he's an important piece to this team. Without Kaz Matsui, I'd estimate the Astros would easily have 5 more losses right about now. 8.5 games back of the wild card in late June is still reasonable. Without Kaz Matsui, we'd probably be 13.5 games back.
RyanED		#14	[-]
Astros Fan Posts: 31840 (06/23/2008 12:20 AM) Golden Boy Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Also factor in the fact that Michael Bourn hasn't been doing a heck of a lot as the leadoff hitter, and you can easily understand why Kaz Matsui has been so important to this year's team. Just from the standpoint of being a decent on-base percentage player as the number two hitter in the lineup. Not to mention, he does have a good defensive glove at second base. A noticeable upgrade over an aging Craig Biggio if nothing else. He's also a good runner on the bases. His speed is a great asset to the team. Michael Bourn's on-base percentage was starting to rise ever so slightly, but I wouldn't be surprised if it starts to go back down into really horrible range again. At least Michael Bourn avoided a 4-strikeout game today. He was able to produce a weak pop-up in his final at-bat. Sigh, an infield pop-up is cause for celebration from Bourn.
danocaster		#15	[-]
Astros Fan Posts: 232 (06/23/2008 1:28 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	RyanED wrote: Also factor in the fact that Michael Bourn hasn't been doing a heck of a lot as the leadoff hitter, and you can easily understand why Kaz Matsui has been so important to this year's team. Just from the standpoint of being a decent on-base percentage player as the number two hitter in the lineup. Not to mention, he does have a good defensive glove at second base. A noticeable upgrade over an aging Craig Biggio if nothing else. He's also a good runner on the bases. His speed is a great asset to the team. Clack wrote: I have seen a lot of complaining about Castillo from Mets' fans. They say that he is declining rapidly this year, and this his defense has taken a nose dive. I agree with you that Matsui's defense will be OK when we look back at the end of the year. He has gone through a flurry of errors early on, which make his defensive stats bad right now. Hopefully, that streak is an aberration. Watching him, it is obvious that he has great range and can make acrobatic plays. Many of the errors occurred because of that ability...i.e., trying to make the "impossible" play and throwing the ball away. Good points, I agree with both of you. I'm glad he's on the team, overpaid or not.
rdkapp		#16	[-]
Astros Fan Posts: 1964 (06/23/2008 3:20 PM) Astros Fan Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Scott Hockenberry wrote: Is Kash Matsui worth the contract? Who is Kash Matsui anyway? Seriously though, I voted slightly overpaid. But then again, what veteran player in MLB isn't at least slightly overpaid?
bsb8532		#17	[-]
Astros Fan Posts: 728 (06/23/2008 4:46 PM) Astros Fan Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Matsui is also a better defender than those 3 players. I'd say he's been a better deal then the other 2 FA 2B (along with Burke). I'd like to get some more OBP at the top of the lineup, but that doesn't appear doable unless we're willing to get rid of Bourn.
Bobby the terrible		#18	[-]
Astros Fan Posts: 309 (06/24/2008 11:16 AM) Astros Fan Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	i just thought of having burke at second and it made me pick "Kaz is great"
barzilla		#19	[-]
Astros Fan Posts: 4636 (06/24/2008 1:11 PM) Astros Fan Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	He is slightly overpaid, but we have to remember two things: 1) He signed a three year deal, so the jury is still out on this one. 2) Remember that others like Iguchi have home ballpark issues. If Iguchi played in Houston it would likely be a different story. Check out my new blog at http://commons.chron.com/barzilla
danocaster		#20	[-]
Astros Fan Posts: 239 (06/24/2008 1:22 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	What do you mean by Iguchi having home ballpark issues?

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