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Toxic? Chacon Removed from Rotation! Now He's Suspended and wants to be Traded

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johnmvp		#181	[-]
Rookie Posts: 4 (07/01/2008 8:44 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Awesome. I love the information on the main site, check that daily... but was never sure about the forum. This is the first time I've truly given it a shot.
Astrogirl		#182	[-]
Astros Fan Posts: 3538 (07/01/2008 9:24 PM) Bagwell Babe Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	What if Wade doesn't curse and just yells at him, "Look in the mirror!" Or what if he turns to him and screams, "KNOCK IT OFF!" Are we still going on about this the same way? Actually, that's a great point that I didn't even think about. Did Chacon go off because he's being told to look in the mirror - OR because he was told to look in The Fucking Mirror?? Like the Fucking Mirror is different from a mirror. Somehow, I think the end result would have been the same. That's funny, though!
Speedy08		#183	[-]
Astros Fan Posts: 6766 (07/01/2008 10:29 PM) That's Baseball Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Clack wrote: Speedy asks how we can question Wade's anger temperament. Part of my view of this incident is influenced by the archived articles out of the Philadelphia newspapers which indicate that Wade's temper is legendary. Cursing reporters in front of school children, breaking furniture as he curses reporters, etc. Billy Wagner says Wade frequently went off on the team, flipped out, or whatever term he used. If I didn't have that context, I might be more inclined to believe the totality of Wade's account of this event. But those accounts of Wade's temperament while in Philadelphia do seem consistent with Chacon's story about Wade's cursing and yelling. Granted, none of us know for sure what happened in that dining room. The bystander players, if they know, aren't forthcoming to the media. (Loretta first said Chacon's account reported by Ortiz was correct, but then said he couldn't say who said what, verbatim, because it all happened so fast.) Hopefully, something like this won't happen again, and this incident will fade into memory. Well, there's a couple of great sources. Philadelphia media and Billy Wagner. *The Real* HR Leaders Aaron 755, Ruth 714, Mays 660, Griffey, Jr. 603, F. Robinson 586 I started out with nothing...and I still have most of it.**
barzilla		#184	[-]
Astros Fan Posts: 4670 (07/02/2008 10:00 AM) Astros Fan Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Wade could have kept those incidents quiet if he had just bribed Bill Conlin with a doughnut. Check out my new blog at http://commons.chron.com/barzilla
Phenomenal Smith		#185	[-]
Astros Fan Posts: 1388 (07/02/2008 10:26 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Speedy08 wrote: Well, there's a couple of great sources. Philadelphia media and Billy Wagner. A lot of smoke for there not to be a fire.
Speedy08		#186	[-]
Astros Fan Posts: 6767 (07/02/2008 1:36 PM) That's Baseball Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Phenomenal Smith wrote: A lot of smoke for there not to be a fire. So you've got him guilty based on a little smoke? That surprises me coming from you....that is until I remember your stance on Wade. *The Real* HR Leaders Aaron 755, Ruth 714, Mays 660, Griffey, Jr. 603, F. Robinson 586 I started out with nothing...and I still have most of it.**
barzilla		#187	[-]
Astros Fan Posts: 4673 (07/02/2008 3:11 PM) Astros Fan Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	It really depends on the source. Did the Philly writer text his friends and family and say, "gee, it's really toxic in here." Check out my new blog at http://commons.chron.com/barzilla
Phenomenal Smith		#188	[-]
Astros Fan Posts: 1389 (07/02/2008 3:37 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Speedy08 wrote: Phenomenal Smith wrote: A lot of smoke for there not to be a fire. So you've got him guilty based on a little smoke? That surprises me coming from you....that is until I remember your stance on Wade. I'm just saying that there is a lot of smoke. And having a temper isn't such a bad thing. My take on Wade is that his 2008 moves were kinda silly. But he does a pretty good track record in terms of developing talent which is more important than the smoke and mirrors of the off-season. He has never had a team make the playoffs, and that does concern me, but we'll see. I'm ready for 2009 and 2010 already.

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