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Game 2: Astros @ Pirates

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Flastrohs		#21	[-]
Astros Fan Posts: 19445 (07/09/2008 5:31 AM) Astros Fan Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	This board is about as F'd up as the Astros are(technical issues)....hey at least it didn't go extra-innings. I surrendered after the marathon at Atlanta on Sunday. Brocail stays in and blows it.....Brocail is taken out and Valverde blows it. It's over in 2008 for Houston.
Clack		#22	[-]
Astros Fan Posts: 14736 (07/09/2008 9:29 AM) Astros Fan Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	In the Chronicle article, Brocail complained that he has been unable to hit 90 on his FB for two weeks. I wonder if this is over use coming back to haunt the Astros?
Bob Balk		#23	[-]
Astros Fan Posts: 641 (07/09/2008 2:23 PM) Bucs Fan Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	zzagman wrote: It is a shame that the Astros have to go through this crap (rain) in cities that have no regard for their fans or the other teams. Pisssburg comes to Houston and can always depend on playing the game without losing several pitchers due to rain delays. Pissburgh needs a roof in the worst way. There should be some type of consequence for causing the hardship to the other team. Did I say Pissburh is a crap city to play baseball in? Those of you in Houston never knew anything else other than a domed stadium (I guess with the exception of those of you who can remember the Colt 45's), but in the Pittsburgh market, a domed or roofed stadium would be an absolute disaster. Nobody in this market wants to watch indoor baseball. If the Pirates ever decide to build a roof over PNC Park, they might as well save themselves the expense & just move to Charlotte. The team was suffering from poor attendance in Three Rivers Stadium coz the fans found it cold & impersonal. They wanted something more like old Forbes Field. That meant no roof. The fans have responded well to PNC Park, just like it is. Sure, sometimes you watch a game & see a lotta empty seats, but when you consider that we've had 15 straight losing seasons & the population of the city has now shrunk to about 300,000, drawing between 1.5-2 million ain't so bad.
Flastrohs		#24	[-]
Astros Fan Posts: 19446 (07/09/2008 2:31 PM) Astros Fan Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Bob Balk wrote: zzagman wrote: It is a shame that the Astros have to go through this crap (rain) in cities that have no regard for their fans or the other teams. Pisssburg comes to Houston and can always depend on playing the game without losing several pitchers due to rain delays. Pissburgh needs a roof in the worst way. There should be some type of consequence for causing the hardship to the other team. Did I say Pissburh is a crap city to play baseball in? Those of you in Houston never knew anything else other than a domed stadium (I guess with the exception of those of you who can remember the Colt 45's), but in the Pittsburgh market, a domed or roofed stadium would be an absolute disaster. Nobody in this market wants to watch indoor baseball. If the Pirates ever decide to build a roof over PNC Park, they might as well save themselves the expense & just move to Charlotte. The team was suffering from poor attendance in Three Rivers Stadium coz the fans found it cold & impersonal. They wanted something more like old Forbes Field. That meant no roof. The fans have responded well to PNC Park, just like it is. Sure, sometimes you watch a game & see a lotta empty seats, but when you consider that we've had 15 straight losing seasons & the population of the city has now shrunk to about 300,000, drawing between 1.5-2 million ain't so bad. I just don't see where having a retractable roof would keep fans from attending a game....seems it would do the opposite...no worries of rain outs...or snow outs. It is a beautiful park though.
Bob Balk		#25	[-]
Astros Fan Posts: 642 (07/09/2008 3:24 PM) Bucs Fan Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I'm far from being an architect or engineer, but the construction involved in having a retractable roof would likely prevent Pittsburgh from having an open-air stadium & would take away the view of the river & the downtown sky-line which provides a nice backdrop to the action. The ball park would have to look more like Milwaukee's, which I'm sure is a nice place but not as nice as PNC Park. Forbes Field was an open-air ball park with a nice view of Schenley Park in the background, & the Bucs wanted to replicate that as much as possible. PNC Park needed to be the opposite of Three Rivers Stadium to succeed. I know it gets hot in Texas in the summer, but believe me, in the summer Three Rivers Stadium was a giant bowl of heat, an uncomfortable giant bowl of heat at that.
James A46		#26	[-]
Astros Fan Posts: 2501 (07/09/2008 4:43 PM) ALL-STAR Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Bob Balk wrote: I'm far from being an architect or engineer, but the construction involved in having a retractable roof would likely prevent Pittsburgh from having an open-air stadium & would take away the view of the river & the downtown sky-line which provides a nice backdrop to the action. The ball park would have to look more like Milwaukee's, which I'm sure is a nice place but not as nice as PNC Park. Forbes Field was an open-air ball park with a nice view of Schenley Park in the background, & the Bucs wanted to replicate that as much as possible. PNC Park needed to be the opposite of Three Rivers Stadium to succeed. I know it gets hot in Texas in the summer, but believe me, in the summer Three Rivers Stadium was a giant bowl of heat, an uncomfortable giant bowl of heat at that. I liked old Forbes Field. When they began building these cookie cutter circular stadiums, the parks lost their unique personality. They're going back to the older style stadiums with the quirky fence distances etc. The parks were also much bigger than today. Yankee Stadium even has an inner fence in leftcenter. I think it used to be something in the neighborhood of 457 ft. to the fence in leftcenter. Fenway Park is the same way. The old rightcenter field wall is now the back wall of the bullpen. They did it a little different at Tiger Stadium. They moved home plate and the infield out some 35 ft toward the outfield fences instead of bring the fences in. Connie Mack Stadium had that hurricane fence covering the scoreboard in right field and balls coming off that screen would carom around like pinballs. Also, years ago, broadcasters always did something they donot do today. When the home team was on the road, the broadcaster would describe the field dimensions and anything quirky about the park that might give the visiting teams' outfielders some trouble. For instance, the batting cage in leftcenter field at Forbes Field. The hill rising up toward the fence in left to left center at Crosley Field. The swirling winds at Candlestick Park and so forth. Anyone playing centerfield for the Bucs at Forbes Field had to have sprinters speed and the same was the case at Yankee Stadium before the inner fence was put in place. "Yes, I am here in Cooperstown....This place, my field, my dream." -Gene Elston July 30th, 2006 - Ford C. Frick Award Acceptance Speech, Cooperstown, NY
Bob Balk		#27	[-]
Astros Fan Posts: 643 (07/09/2008 5:29 PM) Bucs Fan Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Great post, JamesA. I miss the days when radio broadcasters were descriptive. I guess today they figure that we've seen all these ball parks on TV already, but I liked the days when a radio broadcaster painted word pictures
zzagman		#28	[-]
Astros Fan Posts: 1439 (07/09/2008 7:05 PM) ALL-STAR Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Bob, I don't mean this to sound sarcastic but are you telling me that the Pittsburgh fans enjoyed the game last night? I understand the the beauty and atmosphere of ball parks but getting wet is no fun and has to keep lots of fans from coming to the games. Full Speed Ahead! Fire At Will!
Bob Balk		#29	[-]
Astros Fan Posts: 647 (07/09/2008 7:14 PM) Bucs Fan Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	zzagman wrote: Bob, I don't mean this to sound sarcastic but are you telling me that the Pittsburgh fans enjoyed the game last night? I understand the the beauty and atmosphere of ball parks but getting wet is no fun and has to keep lots of fans from coming to the games. I detect no sarcasm. It's a legitimate question. My reply would be that it's an excellent baseball experience when the weather is nice, & the bad days are just the price we have to pay for that.

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