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rdkapp wrote:

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For a minute there, I thought we were still in 2007 and Brad Lidge was on the mound blowing a save vs. the Pirates, and then I woke up, and it was Jose Valverde doing his best impression of Lidge.

You know, when a team with talent like the Astros have (i.e. Berkman, Lee, Tejada, Pence, Oswalt, Valverde, etc.) loses a game like this one tonight, as well as other similar games throughout the season, it says one thing to me.........The Management Sucks! Good players don't play well for bad management. We saw it in the early days of the franchise when Spec Richardson was their GM, and I think we're seeing it again.

Don't get me wrong. I don't think they're playoff material, but they are better than that game showed tonight.

RD, I agree with what you said and I'm not trying to pick at what you are saying, but everyone keeps using that phrase "they aren't as bad as they showed tonight?. It's like why can't Astros fans accept this team really is this bad? Management can't accept it fans won't, it's almost just a state of denial. WE ARE THIS BAD, We lose regularly, and we lose in this fashion regularly it makes you this bad. We have a new breakdown almost every night, so we win a few in a row, look every time we win a couple, we go right back to losing the games right back. It's the sign of a really bad team. This team has a pension to play horrible baseball, winning a few doesn't change my perception of this team.

I'll say this for anyone who will listen, the sooner you accept this team really is as bad as they played tonight, the faster we can pressure this management into doing the right things. In my mind the pressure has to come from the fans that this is unacceptable, it's time to get better for the future. Astros fans need a United front, not one where people keep thinking this team can go places, Drayton needs to be pressure into selling off these pieces now and start putting young talent in the farm system. I'm tired of the Astros buy good talent, it's time we have some homegrown talent of our own. Let's get some players before they are great and an Allstar.

rdkapp wrote:

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zach, I'm not disagreeing with your premise that it's time to make some big changes with this team, but I don't agree that this team is this bad. They certainly are playing this bad on occasion; in fact, more often than I'd like. My point was that a team with the individual talent they have, that plays this bad, that often, is a sign of bad management, IMO. Hell, it may be at least part of the reason Lidge went sour the past couple of years and then, all of a sudden, he's a stud again for the Phils (All-Star game notwithstanding). As I said in my previous post, good players don't play well for bad management.

That leads to the next question, which relates to your premise that they need to make wholesale changes. Is management good enough, or smart enough to rebuild this team into a better, more competitive team? If, as I say, bad management is at least a reason they look this bad, that often, then how can we trust that "bad management" will rebuild this team the right way and with the right talent? Personally, I'm beginning to think that Uncle Drayton really needs to sell the team. I'm not sure this team will ever get better with him at the helm. He meddles too much, and he may meddle even more than you or I think he does. If he's the reason that Hunsicker, who is one of the best GMs the Astros have ever had, and arguably one of the better ones in MLB, left, then Uncle Drayton is the problem. Since then, he's hired puppets and will continue to hire puppets, IMO.

RD I absolutely agree with the second part of what you said. I have zero confidence in Ed Wade blowing up this team. My point is thought I'd just assume blow the team up get some prospects and go on from there. Keeping this team together won't do anything. It's like you said the team doesn't like the management so why not get new players in here that atleast know nothing about this management. It's about a clean slate. Which is what the Astros need. Even Wade, as bad a GM as I think he is, could get some talented prospects in return for a few of these players. I'm not talking about Billy Beane style prospects, but he probably could come up with a few that would help this team. It's so beyond time, the players on this team, I think finally have the mentality this unit can't win together. I know Berkman has to be thinking that at some point, getting Lee and Tejada did nothing.

As for the rumors the Astros are looking at Randy Wolf? Well than Ed Wade is dumber than I originally thought.