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If you honestly think that "citizens groups" are thriving in that kind of environment, then you have simply moved from one delusion to another.


The one that is delusional Ray is you. You seem to forget that I have family on the ground that I talk to almost daily. I have a pretty good idea of what is going on. But then again in your world they are baby killers and liars right Ray.

As far as thriving I would suggest that you learn to read a little better. What I said was that they were beginning to form. Does that mean thrive in your world?

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Although I agree that Bush will pull out the troops. But it's not because Iraq is turning around; it's because there is no more political capital to be made there.


I made my statement and suggested that you bookmark it and pull it up as those times go by. We will see who is right.