Ray, I am sorry for your loss, but at what point is killing yourself helping your loved ones out?

Suicide is quiting and it is selfish. I have a little knowledge in the psychology of this matter since I woudl assume I have been around more suicides than anyone in this forum.

I understand suicide when it occurs in the terminally ill. I dont agree with it, but I understand it.

I do not however think that a man who abandons his family because of finances can ever be described as anything but a coward who took the easy way out. He could have went out and flipped burgers to feed his family.
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