I think ryan's point was that if garner and the guys played/managed so badly how did they wind up in such a good position to win? Being one out away from winning a game will usually result in a win. I don't have the stats in front of me but I bet the astros won most of the games they were leading after 8 2/3 innings. if we are leading after 8 2/3 innings in every game I imagine we would win around 150 games. I'll take that. Obviously we won't be leading that much but whatever. Oh... and criticize lidge all you want... as long as you are willing to admit that he proved you wrong IF he has a good season and that not only were you wrong about him but you were wrong about Garner and that your bold predictions of Garner being stupid were also stupid. I find it amazing that a team that has been to the playoffs 6 of the last 10 years, has 6 straight winning seasons and has had a winning season every year since '93 minus the 2000 season, is 1 season removed from the World Series and finished one game out of first place last year behind the world series winner has so many fans screaming bloody murder after the FIRST game. Lidge has 161 more games to prove you right or wrong... why try and convince us? If he truly sucks like you say he does he will prove it himself.