Sure if his addition leads to another deal that you don't like, then you can bitch, but as it stands right now, I can't see why people think this was a bad move. It's not like there was anyone better for the same sweet deal.
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masstro |
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I'm still not sure why so many of you have a problem with the Preston Wilson signing. The Astros got him for cheap, he's got a good collection of tools and is likely to get better another year removed from his knee injury. And best of all, we didn't give up anything to get him. His additude seems fine so I don't see him as an subtraction by addition type guy. Even if you don't think he's all that great, he's a better proven hitter than any of our current projected outfield (unless Berks ends up in the OF). If Bagwell isn't healthy, he can help cover that loss. And if Bags is healthy (not looking likely right now), then he provides another bat to make our lineup deeper.
Sure if his addition leads to another deal that you don't like, then you can bitch, but as it stands right now, I can't see why people think this was a bad move. It's not like there was anyone better for the same sweet deal. |
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Scott Hockenberry |
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I initially did not care for the signing because I don't think we needed to add a 150k + guy to the lineup. And I am sort of expecting him to replace WillyT in CF, which is a drop in defense.
But as some have said in other threads, he wants to play in Houston and may have taken less money to do so. In my book, that is a huge plus and shows the guy wants to be a winner more than anything... For that alone, if true, I like the guy already. |
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If he's starting and Bags is starting, that pushes out either Taveras or Lane. I like both Taveras and Lane and think they have untapped potential that I would like to see us continue to develop. Also, Taveras was starting to play some mighty fine D in CF which we will lose if Wilson plays there. Wilson may be able to play an acceptable (not great or even especially good) CF in a smaller park, but I'm very doubtful he can do so at MMP. That also hurts our pitchers. Even if you don't like Taveras, this deal also takes playing time away from Burke and Scott, who some people are high on too.
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kuku69 |
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The Astros stole Wilson for only 4 million. Look at the contracts of other outfielders and they got a lot more money and more years and they don't have the same resume as Wilson. Juan Encarncion got 3 years, 15 million dollars from St. Louis and Wilson is better than him. Burnitz got 1 year, 6 million and he isn't as good as Wilson. IMO, Taveras is overated. Sure he gets a lot of hits but his defense is average and his OBP sucks. He is also horrible with RISP. I like Taveras but he need to improve in a lot of areas. Sure Wilson will strike out like 140 times but he may also drive in 100.
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What I like about Preston Wilson:
After the All-Star Break and as a member of the Washington Nationals, these are his splits when batting w/ RISP: .324/.393/.608 There's just something I like about batters whose numbers improve in critical situations. |
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rickstyles33 |
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For the record i was the first to post the idea of preston wilson being a viable option for the astros. Back when sanders, nomar, burnitz, white, and the trio of weiner outfeilders where still on the market! When i posted origanlly i was nailed about his strikeouts and inflated numbers at coors field! His stikeouts have to go down no one will debate that but look at his numbers when he played in florida: 36 hr 121 rbi in one year! We all know what kind of hitters park proplayer stadium is(sarcasm)! Lay off the guy and enjoy the world series title he helps bring to our great city!
ASTROS 2006 Natural Progression |
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TheRedSon |
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That great season in Florida was a long time ago though. He helps this team in 2006 no doubt, but not nearly as much as he would have when he was 24-26.
Right now we have to assume that Wilson is playing left field because Berkman's an infielder. IF Bagwell is ready to contribute in April THEN we can deal with the log jam in the outfield. Basically, Wilson's not in the way of Taveras or Lane. Bagwell might be, but Wilson isn't. Wilson DOES limit the ability of Scott and Burke to find a home in the outfield, but Scott basically limited himself already by doing nothing when given a chance and Burke (who I'm very high on) shouldn't be wasted in left field anyway. He has plus skills for a 2B, is a serviceable SS and might could develop into a CF, but he doesn't really have the stick to be a good answer in LF. Taveras and Lane both have plenty of their own weaknesses. Enough that signing a player like Wilson is a great move even if you're not planning to start him because we need a viable alternative if one of Lane's slumps last six months instead of just three or if Taveras hits .270 instead of .290. I don't understand why it's bad to sign good ballplayers. The more guys with talent on the roster the fewer times Garner has to pinch hit with Bruntlett or <cough> Chavez. |
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AstroinOC |
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Why sit Taveras for hitting .270 when Wilson didn't do that last year?
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Clack |
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I tend to agree with Richard Justice's blog:
"Preston Wilson is a good addition. Period. Don't nitpick it. Don't try to figure out where he's going to play. He can play any outfield spot, he didn't cost much money and he's a big league hitter. I have no idea how he'll be used. Phil Garner probably doesn't know either. But he's a player. You can't get too many of them." I think there are many interesting ways to use all our available players depending upon whatever scenario (involving either trades or Bagwell's outcome) occurs. Garner has shown the ability to do it. BTW, Justice's blog also includes some clues on the Astro's prospect of getting Tejeda. Bottom line: Orioles have done dumb things before, and Pupura could get lucky. |
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TheRedSon |
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"Why sit Taveras for hitting .270 when Wilson didn't do that last year?"
Because Wilson hit 16 more doubles and 22 more home runs and since most of his singles make it out the infield if a baserunner were so inclined he could actually move from first to third or score from second on one of them. Wilson isn't a superstar by any account, but he brings a lot more to the table than just contact. In 2005 Taveras hit .291/.325/.341. He had a total of 25 BB and 20 extra base hits. If he simply had Adam Everett's power (40 extra base hits) he'd be an All-Star. Sadly, the one skill he seriously lacks is the one skill he needs in order to take full advantage of his other ones. |
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SuperS32 |
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I have doubts about Wilson being a productive player in Houston if he stays healthy. Yes he's a little redundant with with the high stikeout rates of everyone not named Berkman, but he still brings much needed power and versatility which gives Garner more to work with
So I guess my only problem is the "if he stays healthy" part, which I doubt he will. But for four mill, 110+ games of solid productions (preferably in the 2nd half and playoffs) is good enough for me. |
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Quote: I don't get why people are questioning his health? He has been hurt once in his 7 years in the Majors. |
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masstro |
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Not only has he only been hurt once, but that clearly affected his performance. There is a good chance that he has healed, and he signed the cheap contract in order to prove that he was back to his original level (a la Nomar Garciaparra). It seems like a no lose proposition to me.
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Yes, I agree with everyone that likes the deal. At first, I was upset b/c that means that 2 out of our 3 OF's last year (lane, burke,taveras) are going to get the shaft if Wilson starts and Bagwell starts. But think about this...out of those 3, Lane is the best batter/RBI man, and Wilson is at worst another Jason Lane at the plate...he won't get worse than .260, 25 HR and 85 RBI...he will not get worse than that...especially in Minute Maid (as far as HR are concerned)...and while I do like Taveras' speed a lot, I guess I am willing to give Wilson a try, or try him in RF. I have not seen a free agent be excited to come play here in recent years (outside RC and AP), and that does count for something. If Bagwell is healthy...and that is a big IF...a lineup of Taveras, Biggio, Berkman, Ensberg, Wilson, Bagwell is pretty good....and it does keep open the options of trading an OF in a package deal for Tejada.
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AstroinOC |
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Okay then say sit Taveras due to not producing runs. Saying you sit someone just because of their batting average is lame. Do you sit Adam Dunn for hitting under .250?
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Berkmaniac |
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Who was saying you sit someone just b/c of their batting avg?
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TheRedSon |
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I assumed people would understand how important 20 points of batting average are to Willy Taveras' ability to contribute offensively. I should have explained myself better.
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