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kuku69	Pirates could be good next year	Lead	[-]
Posts: 451 (01/03/2006 1:59 PM) Astros Fan Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Tags : None They have quietly made some very good moves this offseason. They have a good combination of young players and veterans. So far this offseason they added Sean Casey, Joe Randa, Jeromy Burnitz, Damaso Marte, Jonah Bayliss, and Roberto Hernandez. They starting lineup should look something like this. C-Ryan Doumit 1B-Sean Casey 2B-Jose Castillo 3B-Joe Randa SS-Jack Wilson LF-Jason Bay CF-Chris Duffy RF-Jeromy Burnitz They may be the best bench in all of baseball with Craig Wilson, Jody Gerut, Freddy Sanchez, Brad Eldred, and Nate McLouth. Starting Rotation should look like this SP-Zach Duke SP-Paul Maholm SP-Kip Wells SP-Oliver Perez SP-Ian Snell or Victor Santos Closer-Roberto Hernandez Don't forget this also have a very good pen with maybe they best lefties in the NL with Mike Gonzalez, John Grabow, and Damaso Marte. They also have a new manager in Jim Tracy, who IMO is one of the best managers in baseball. IMO, next year the NL Central will be the best division top to bottom in all of baseball.
sturt	...	#1	[-]
Astros Fan Posts: 1617 (01/03/2006 2:04 PM) Astros Fan Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Okay, I'm feeling stupid.... It's been so long since I took the Pirates, Reds, or Brewers seriously beyond May, I don't even know half of these names that you suggest should instill fear in the rest of us. Not saying it won't happen... hey, the Twins were left for dead and considered for formal extinction just a few years ago... just admitting my ignorance.
Argon	Re: ...	#2	[-]
Astros Fan Posts: 1105 (01/03/2006 2:10 PM) Astros Fan Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I admit they look good..but there is a LOT of in-experience on that list..duffy..Duke,etc...But,they do seem to be improving. Sue Laws or Yvette???
liquidxnine	Re: ...	#3	[-]
Posts: 2317 (01/03/2006 2:14 PM) Astros Fan Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	i think the brewers have improved even more. this could be very reminiscent of last years NL east where everyone just beat up on eachother. lets go down the list Cards = worse than last year, no argument Astros = same as last year, may see improvement from rookies Brewers = continue to get better, best young infield in majors Pirates = see above, very good young team, reminds me of astros last years without the starting pitching Cubs = marginally improved, pierre and those RPs arent enough, they should finish bottom of the barrel, or at least compete with cincy for that 'honor' Cincy = cleared up OF problems.... pitching still suspect, will wily mo pena see more playing time? Petition to retire JR Richard's #50
Clack	Re: ...Improvement	#4	[-]
Astros Fan Posts: 15002 (01/03/2006 3:28 PM) Astros Fan Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I posted something, even before the Burnitz acquisition, about the improvement in the Pirates lineup. Yes, they look much improved. And the Brewers are probably more advanced than the Pirates in developing a strong, young team. However, both teams may struggle with some of the inexperience on their roster and might not be consistent enough to challenge for a playoff spot next year. I think the Pirates have tried to address that by adding veteran players. But the Pirates' pitching staff, while young and talented, could suffer some inconsistency due to lack of ML experience. I could see the Pirates causing lots of problems for the other division teams, though.
GIGEM ASTROS	Re: Pirates could be good next year	#5	[-]
Posts: 37 (01/03/2006 4:41 PM) Astros Fan Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	*Quote:* Remeber they were only 5 games behind the Stros last year for the wild card. They finished 22 games behind the Stros!!!!
AstroinOC	Re: Pirates could be good next year	#6	[-]
Astros Fan Posts: 1287 (01/03/2006 4:50 PM) Astros Fan Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Sitting Eldred is a mistake. They should either send him down or play him full time. That kid is a hoss. Put Bay in right, Eldred in left, Duffy in center. Cheap outfield. Burnitz should be on the bench or not on the team at all.
liquidxnine	Re: Pirates could be good next year	#7	[-]
Posts: 2317 (01/03/2006 5:31 PM) Astros Fan Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	GIGEM is right, it was the brewers that were 5 out i believe... or at least they were at .500, dont think pirates cracked .500. Petition to retire JR Richard's #50
TheRedSon	Re: Pirates could be good next year	#8	[-]
Astros Fan Posts: 1773 (01/03/2006 5:42 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	C - Doumit - .324/.398 1B - Casey - .371/.423 2B - Castillo - .307/.416 3B - Randa - .335/.452 SS - Wilson - .299/.363 LF - Bay - .402/.559 CF - Duffy - .385/.429 RF - Burnitz - .322/.435 Assuming Duffy can keep that up and Randa can hit close to as well as he did last year their lineup could be pretty good. I don't know why they decided to take Casey off the Reds hands with Craig Wilson already in town though. They'll need solid seasons from at least three of their young pitchers to cash in this year though. I don't honestly believe they've bought much help for themselves with their offseason moves considering the options they had available already.
AstroinOC	Re: Pirates could be good next year	#9	[-]
Astros Fan Posts: 1287 (01/03/2006 9:15 PM) Astros Fan Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	The pirates won't sniff the playoffs next year. That's why I find their starting Burnitz over Eldred to be laughable.
Bob Balk	Re: Pirates could be good next year	#10	[-]
Astros Fan Posts: 655 (01/03/2006 11:50 PM) Bucs Fan Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	The Pirates' plan going into 2006 was to have Eldred spend a year in the minors to work on defense & cut down on his strike-outs. He moved thru the system pretty quickly & has never had a full year at AAA yet. Eldred's only position is 1B, so the presence of Burnitz isn't what's keeping Eldred off the big club. Ideally, Sean Casey will do a good job at 1B in '06 & Eldred can step in as the 1B in '07, with Casey accepting a reserve role in order to play in his hometown a la the Steelers' Charlie Batch. Kuku69 did an outstanding job of projecting the Bucs' roster for '06, cept that Daryle Ward is no longer part of the organization. (Edited for grammar.)
AstroinOC	Re: Pirates could be good next year	#11	[-]
Astros Fan Posts: 1287 (01/04/2006 3:40 AM) Astros Fan Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	No offense Bob but even with the new additions the Pirates aren't going to the promised land so they might as well experiment and give all the AB's to Eldred they can. I'm sure he could play left field adequately. Either way the Pirates have some very impressive young players.
Bob Balk	Re: Pirates could be good next year	#12	[-]
Astros Fan Posts: 655 (01/04/2006 8:22 AM) Bucs Fan Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	No offense taken. I like the moves the Bucs have made & I also like their young players. I think the team will be improved, but I've said all along that until proven otherwise, the top dogs in the NL Central----indeed, in the entire NL-----are the Cards & Astros, the participants in the NLCS the past 2 years.
Ed from CT	Re: Pirates could be good next year	#13	[-]
Astros Fan Posts: 813 (01/04/2006 7:48 PM) Astros Fan Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Mike Gonzalez will close for the Pirates not Roberto Hernandez.
Argon	Re: Pirates could be good next year	#14	[-]
Astros Fan Posts: 1105 (01/04/2006 8:02 PM) Astros Fan Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I like the Bucs lineup as well.. BUT The Bucs,Reds and Brew-Crew have had decent lineups the last few years...but NO PITCHING. Pitching wins pennants..again..PITCHING WINS PENNANTS. The Bucs are showing signs with Perez and company...Duke,we'll see. Ever heard of the "sophomore jinx"? But,yes..I like Burnitz..Duffy,Casey,Big Cal. Sue Laws or Yvette???

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