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astros98(d)	Biggio scores 1,650th run!	Lead	[-]
Posts: 1074 (06/29/2005 4:59 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Tags : None Biggio scored his 1,650th run. Every single Hall of Fame eligible player with 1650 runs scored is in the Hall. Money, baby......money. Runs -- t-28th Started year 40th 23 Willie Keeler 1719 24 Billy Hamilton 1690 25 Bid McPhee 1678 26 Mickey Mantle 1677 27 Dave Winfield 1669 28 Craig Biggio/Morgan 1650
NeoAg	Re: Biggio scores 1,650th run!	#1	[-]
Posts: 202 (06/29/2005 4:59 PM) Astros Fan Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Sweetness!~
Flastrohs	Re: Biggio scores 1,650th run!	#2	[-]
Astros Fan Posts: 19390 (06/29/2005 5:01 PM) Astros Fan Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Biggio is headin to the HOF
donnymynack	Re: Biggio scores 1,650th run!	#3	[-]
Posts: 427 (06/29/2005 5:07 PM) Astros Fan Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	But he's still not as good as me. - John Kruk
Flastrohs	Re: Biggio scores 1,650th run!	#4	[-]
Astros Fan Posts: 19390 (06/29/2005 5:09 PM) Astros Fan Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I agree. Bidge is better!
NewMexicoStros	Re: Biggio scores 1,650th run!	#5	[-]
Astros Fan Posts: 634 (06/29/2005 5:10 PM) Astros Fan Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I wonder what hat Biggio is gonna wear on his plaque? "I thought you had to do something good to be famous." "Not if you do it colorfuly."
HudsonHawk	Biggio scores 1,650th run!	#6	[-]
Posts: 1316 (06/29/2005 5:10 PM) Astros Fan Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	*Quote:* Every single Hall of Fame eligible player with 1650 runs scored is in the Hall. Every single HOF eligible player with 445 HRs is in the Hall too, yet there are those who are still clamoring that Jeff Bagwell and his 449 isn't worthy.
NewMexicoStros	Re: Biggio scores 1,650th run!	#7	[-]
Astros Fan Posts: 634 (06/29/2005 5:11 PM) Astros Fan Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	My question isn't if Biggio makes it, but does Palmeiro? (Raphy, not Orlando) _________________________________________________ "I thought you had to do something good to be famous." "Not if you do it colorfuly."
astros98(d)	Re: Biggio scores 1,650th run!	#8	[-]
Posts: 1074 (06/29/2005 5:13 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	*Quote:* My question isn't if Biggio makes it, but does Palmeiro? (Raphy, not Orlando) I think you are one of the few with those two opinions.
astros98(d)	Re: Biggio scores 1,650th run!	#9	[-]
Posts: 1074 (06/29/2005 5:14 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	*Quote:* Every single HOF eligible player with 445 HRs is in the Hall too, yet there are those who are still clamoring that Jeff Bagwell and his 449 isn't worthy. I see your point. Here's hoping those detractors 'zoom out' and see some of Baggy's other stats/intangibles.
HudsonHawk	Re: Biggio scores 1,650th run!	#10	[-]
Posts: 1316 (06/29/2005 5:15 PM) Astros Fan Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	*Quote:* My question isn't if Biggio makes it, but does Palmeiro? (Raphy, not Orlando) Of course Palmeiro makes it. He's a first-ballot no-brainer. Geez, what kind of sham do you think the HOF is?
NewMexicoStros	Re: Biggio scores 1,650th run!	#11	[-]
Astros Fan Posts: 634 (06/29/2005 5:17 PM) Astros Fan Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	"I think you are one of the few with those two opinions." Astros98 What opinion? I was asking a question... Palmeiro has almost identical numbers to Biggio in many categories, but the knock on him is he's never been the best player at his position in any year he's played. So is he in, or out? _________________________________________________ "I thought you had to do something good to be famous." "Not if you do it colorfuly."
HudsonHawk	Re: Biggio scores 1,650th run!	#12	[-]
Posts: 1316 (06/29/2005 5:24 PM) Astros Fan Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	*Quote:* but the knock on him is he's never been the best player at his position in any year he's played. So is he in, or out? That's not a knock that I've ever heard.
Bob Hulsey	Re: Biggio scores 1,650th run!	#13	[-]
Astros Fan Posts: 4279 (06/29/2005 5:25 PM) Astros Fan Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Craig passes former Rockie manager Don Baylor with his 268th HBP - third all-time, passes Rusty Staub for 52nd on the all-time hit list with 2,718, ties Joe Morgan for 28th on the all-time runs list with 1,650, ties Donie Bush for 63rd all-time with 404 steals and currently sits 13th all-time in doubles and 50th all-time in extra-base hits. That's rarified air, little buddy.
donnymynack	Re: Biggio scores 1,650th run!	#14	[-]
Posts: 427 (06/29/2005 5:27 PM) Astros Fan Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Palmiero has 500 homers. Case closed.
HudsonHawk	Re: Biggio scores 1,650th run!	#15	[-]
Posts: 1316 (06/29/2005 5:29 PM) Astros Fan Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	*Quote:* Palmiero has 500 homers. Case closed. And he's about to get 3,000 hits to become only the 4th player in history to do such. How anyone could think he's not a HOFer is beyond me.
NewMexicoStros	Re: Biggio scores 1,650th run!	#16	[-]
Astros Fan Posts: 634 (06/29/2005 5:30 PM) Astros Fan Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	"That's not a knock that I've ever heard. " I've heard it from Gammons, and read it in articles online from both FoxSports and ESPN.com, (all during last season,) so I know that is the devil's advocate position. I think he should go, and if I had a vote, I would vote for him... but he's not a sure thing, I don't think. _________________________________________________ "I thought you had to do something good to be famous." "Not if you do it colorfuly."
Flastrohs	Re: Biggio scores 1,650th run!	#17	[-]
Astros Fan Posts: 19390 (06/29/2005 5:31 PM) Astros Fan Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	*Quote:* I would vote for him... but he's not a sure thing, I don't think. Palmeiro is a lock for the HOF.
HudsonHawk	Re: Biggio scores 1,650th run!	#18	[-]
Posts: 1316 (06/29/2005 5:33 PM) Astros Fan Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	*Quote:* I've heard it from Gammons, and read it in articles online from both FoxSports and ESPN.com, (all during last season,) so I know that is the devil's advocate position. Well first, Gammons is a moron. Always has been. Secondly, anything you read at ESPN.com is likely written by a moron, especially if his name begins with "Rob" and ends with "Neyer". *Quote:* but he's not a sure thing, I don't think. Wow. What kind of career do you think is necessary to be a HOFer then?
NewMexicoStros	Re: Biggio scores 1,650th run!	#19	[-]
Astros Fan Posts: 634 (06/29/2005 5:34 PM) Astros Fan Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Here's a link to an article that disputes that, (after a fashion.) www.lostinleftfield.com/Case_For_Jim_Rice_5-4-03.html _________________________________________________ "I thought you had to do something good to be famous." "Not if you do it colorfuly."
Bob Hulsey	Re: Biggio scores 1,650th run!	#20	[-]
Astros Fan Posts: 4279 (06/29/2005 5:39 PM) Astros Fan Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Assuming "5-4-03" is the date, that's looking back two years ago. Times change. For guys who don't win MVPs or make a splash in the World Series, it's all about milestones and Palmeiro is passing milestones that would remove any argument that he doesn't belong.
NewMexicoStros	Re: Biggio scores 1,650th run!	#21	[-]
Astros Fan Posts: 634 (06/29/2005 5:48 PM) Astros Fan Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Like I said, I do think he belongs, but here's the thing. If they (Biggio/Palmiero) retire at the same time, and are both eligible, but for the sake of arguement, only one can get elected, who is it? Is the Hall of Fame a place for a player that was really good for a really long time, or is it a place for players that trancend the game? Biggio is a player that exemplifies grit and hustle not seen since the days of Rose (in my opinion,) and he's done things few players, if any have done. Is passing milestones on the statistical books enough to warrant election to the Hall? "I thought you had to do something good to be famous." "Not if you do it colorfuly."
HudsonHawk	Re: Biggio scores 1,650th run!	#22	[-]
Posts: 1316 (06/29/2005 8:10 PM) Astros Fan Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	*Quote:* Is passing milestones on the statistical books enough to warrant election to the Hall? Here's where your argument breaks down, and where people seem to lose their way....you see, you don't reach those milestones without being really, really, good. People think you just hang around because you have nothing better to do and collect 3,000 hits and 500 home runs. It just doesn't work like that.
Astrogirl	Re: Biggio scores 1,650th run!	#23	[-]
Astros Fan Posts: 3539 (06/29/2005 8:57 PM) Bagwell Babe Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Wait!! Do y'all hear a head exploding out there? Biggio is going to pass The Joe Morgan?! Wuss is gonna let an Astro (who proudly admits playing for the Astros) beat him? Go Biggio
NewMexicoStros	Re: Biggio scores 1,650th run!	#24	[-]
Astros Fan Posts: 634 (06/30/2005 9:17 AM) Astros Fan Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	"you see, you don't reach those milestones without being really, really, good." HH I agree completely. What I'm getting at is, does being really, really, good (for a long time) qualify you for the Hall? Personally, I think anyone with 3,000 hits and 500 homers gets in... but how many guys are gonna be bouncing their grand kids on their knee telling them about the time they saw the Great Palmeiro play? That's all I'm getting at, not trying to ruffle any feathers. "I thought you had to do something good to be famous." "Not if you do it colorfuly."
Astro since 73	Re: Biggio scores 1,650th run!	#25	[-]
Astros Fan Posts: 2519 (06/30/2005 9:18 AM) It ain't over 'til it's over Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	*Quote:* Every single HOF eligible player with 445 HRs is in the Hall too, yet there are those who are still clamoring that Jeff Bagwell and his 449 isn't worthy. Talking heads. ______________________________________________________ "Well I ain't dead yet damnit...whats the score" - Bill Brinkmann (My grandfather and the most devout Astros fan I ever knew) opinion ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-pnyn) n. A belief or conclusion held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof:
HudsonHawk	Re: Biggio scores 1,650th run!	#26	[-]
Posts: 1316 (06/30/2005 11:24 AM) Astros Fan Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	*Quote:* I agree completely. What I'm getting at is, does being really, really, good (for a long time) qualify you for the Hall? I think so. I think being really good for a long time counts more than being great for a few years. That's one reason why the HOF has a mimimun career length requirement.
HudsonHawk	Re: Biggio scores 1,650th run!	#27	[-]
Posts: 1316 (06/30/2005 11:28 AM) Astros Fan Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	*Quote:* but how many guys are gonna be bouncing their grand kids on their knee telling them about the time they saw the Great Palmeiro play? How many people talk about seeing the great Rod Carew? Or the the great Robin Roberts? Or the great Al Kaline? Not every HOFer is going to be as famous as Babe Ruth or Ted Williams. Palmeiro's accomplishments speak for themselves. He's a no-brainer HOFer.
Bad Hop	Re: Biggio scores 1,650th run!	#28	[-]
Astros Fan Posts: 462 (06/30/2005 12:44 PM) SpyDuster Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	*Quote:* I wonder what hat Biggio is gonna wear on his plaque? I know it was a joke, but actually I think the most appropriate headgear for Biggio is his ground-in-dirt-pinetar-crusted batting helmet. That helmet says so much about his style of play.
HudsonHawk	Re: Biggio scores 1,650th run!	#29	[-]
Posts: 1316 (06/30/2005 1:07 PM) Astros Fan Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	*Quote:* I know it was a joke, but actually I think the most appropriate headgear for Biggio is his ground-in-dirt-pinetar-crusted batting helmet. That helmet says so much about his style of play. Speaking of HOF plaques...when the plaques is made, the likeness on the plaque is of what the player looked like when he was elected, not when he played. So if a guy is 60 years when he's elected, it's the 60-year old likeness on the plaque. Biggio's lucky...when he gets elected, he's still only look 16.
allredk	Re: Biggio scores 1,650th run!	#30	[-]
Posts: 2411 (06/30/2005 4:19 PM) Astros Fan Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	So what would they use when/if they ever decide that Shoeless Joe Jackson has served his LIFETIME ban and put him in the hall of fame?

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