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Bance Lerkman

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Aug 22 06 2:48 AM

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It seems like that aside from a major injury everything that could have possibly gone wrong this season did. It was bound to happen. Look at what we did the last two seasons. There is some really weird stuff going on. Lidge's ERA, Pettitte's pitching, Roy's number of wins. It seems like almost all the calls are going against us. Guys are hitting bombs off the 93 mph sinker of Chad Qualls and the 97 mph fastball of Lidge. Some weird things are happening, and it was bound to catch up with us. I've never seen an Astro bullpen give up THIS many leads. The only team this decade that I really thought SHOULD have won the national league title was the team in 04 when we had Biggio, Beltran, Bagwell, Berkman, and Kent in the lineup. So there have been a couple years where everyone just played their best and things came together to get us into the playoffs. The person I feel the worst for is Drayton McClane. Guy dishes out over a hundred mil and gets a sub .500 baseball team. I really feel for him, and I'm worried about what it might do to what he does in the future financially. Aside from maybe keeping Huff, I really don't think we'll be doing much in the offseason.

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RyanED

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Aug 22 06 4:09 AM

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Aside from maybe keeping Huff, I really don't think we'll be doing much in the offseason.

I strongly disagree. Not only will we re-sign Aubrey Huff to be our future starting 3rd baseman. I think we will trade Morgan Ensberg this winter for a decent if not good reliever. We will sign either Barry Zito or Jason Schmidt to help fill the veteran-void in our starting rotation, left by Roger Clemens and perhaps Andy Pettitte as well.

Read my thread " Houston Astros future, outfield already in place. Enjoy ! " to see some of the ideas I have in mind for the 2007 Astros.

While I agree, we won't make many moves this off-season, I do feel 2 or 3 big-time moves will occur.

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Aug 22 06 4:15 AM

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[Bance]You said it all there ... you can have Bagwell, Biggio, Berkman, Beltran, [Kent], Clemens and a Lights Out Lidge and still not come anywhere close to winning a World Series Championship. And yet we delude ourselves into thinking that whether we re-sign Huff will be a key while we trot out a line-up of Ensberg/Lane/Everett/Ausmus/P/WTF. We are light years from a World Series. It might just as well be 1962 all over again.

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RyanED

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Aug 22 06 4:40 AM

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The only team this decade that I really thought SHOULD have won the national league title was the team in 04 when we had Biggio, Beltran, Bagwell, Berkman, and Kent in the lineup.

Fact is, if we had a healthy Andy Pettitte during the 2004 NLCS, I think we would have beat the Cardinals, instead of losing in 7 games, because we started Peter Munro twice. Although, we had a really good chance to win one of Munro's two starts I believe. He pitched one hell of a game if I recall correctly and we ended up losing that game in extra-innings.

In 2005, I think we would have easily won the World Series if we had Beltran and Kent. Because we lost all 4 games in nail-biting fashion. And each game we failed to pick up a clutch-hit or two to win the ballgame. Kent and Beltran would have surely had those clutch hits we needed.

So it's a very flawed arguement to say we had a complete team in 2004 and 2005. Fact is, we didn't have Andy Pettitte for the playoffs in 2004, and we sure as heck didn't have Kent and Beltran for the playoffs in 2005.

And still, we managed to get to game 7 of the 2004 NLCS, as well as making it to the 2005 World Series. I think we did it because the heart of this team. Obviously if we had the players we needed in both years ( Pettitte in 04 postseason, and Kent and Beltran in 05 postseason ), we are probably here right now talking about the BACK-TO-BACK, TWO-TIME WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS, HOUSTON ASTROS !

You guys fail to realize that luck and opportunity is also a big factor in a team winning the World Series now a days. Did anyone think the 2004 Boston Red Sox would come back from being down 0-3 to the Yankees in the 04 ALCS ? Did history ever suggest such a thing could happen ? Nope, it didn't.

Prior to 2005, who would have thought the White Sox would win the World Series ? I sure didn't.

Fact is, it's the small things that slip by the fingers. Andy Pettitte being injured in 2004, Tim Purpura failing to re-sign Kent because of a guaranteed 2nd-year option that Kent wanted. We dropped the ball there because we instead tried to give him a vesting-option based on a certain number of AB's.

And I don't blame anyone for not being able to seal-the-deal on re-signing Carlos Beltran. Fact is, Drayton McLane offered him one hell of a deal. He simply took a few more million from the Mets. When you crunch the numbers, after taxes in New York, the Astros offer wasn't too far off.

But sigh, who cares, what done is done. I for one enjoy watching Willy Taveras play. He will never be anything close to Beltran hitting-wise. But for a guy who is a couple games away from setting the Astros franchise-record of longest hitting-streak at 26 games, I think it is pretty damn impressive for a 24 year old playing in his second-season.

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